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The Arena / Re: Saga Edition Revived Build Contest #2: The Old Republic
« Last post by chellewalker on February 12, 2025, 07:18:49 pm »
"Fear is a lie. Passion, a lie. Fear gives only temporary powers, and passion is easily manipulated. Real strength in the Force comes when one is no longer afraid."

A Sith Lord of the The Sith Empire on Dromund Kaas a thousand years before The Great Galactic War, Kel'eth Ur would come to the realization that The Sith drive for fear and passion were only temporary solutions to strength. He believed that fear and passion, while important driving factors to The Sith philosophy, were manipulable and as such, would cause the Empire to twist in an eat itself rather then unifying as a strong, whole entity. Unfortunately, Emperor Vitiate considered Kel'eth Ur's philosophy a grave threat to the Empire's foundations, and ordered the Sith Lord's death.

Kel'eth Ur's insights were recorded into his personal Holocron before his death, which now lies in the Dark Temple on Dromund Kaas. His philosophy and knowledge may still inspire any that would chance upon it.

Kel'eth Ur, Holocron Gatekeeper (CL 5)

Medium Human (Holocron Gatekeeper) Jedi 4/Scoundrel 3/Force Adept 4/Force Disciple 4
Destiny 2, Prophet; Force 12, Force Boon, Force Flow
Init +7; Senses Perception +16
Languages Basic, Ryl, Sith
Defenses Ref - (flat-footed -), Fort -, Will 35; Repel Discord
hp -; Threshold -
Immune Fear effects, Mind-Affecting effects, physical damage
Speed 6 Squares (within 6 squares of Holocron); Holocron Gatekeeper
Base Atk -; Grp -
Special Actions Adept Negotiator, Intimidator, Instructive Bond
Force Powers Known +19 Battle Strike, Farseeing, Force Light (2), Force Lightning (4; Many Shades of the Force), Malacia, Mind Trick, Rebuke (2), Sever Force (2), Surge
Force Secrets Holocron Loremaster, Multitarget Power, Pure Power
Force Techniques Force Point Recovery, Force Power Mastery (Force Lightning)
Abilities Str -, Dex -, Con -, Int 15, Wis 18, Cha 14
Special Qualities Holocron Gatekeeper, Indomitable, Instructive Bond, Prophet
Talents Adept Negotiator, Force Flow, Many Shades of the Force (Force Lightning), Repel Discord
Feats Dreadful Countenance, Force Boon, Force Sensitivity, Force Training (3), Intimidator, Silver Tongue, Skill Focus (Knowledge (Social Sciences)), Skill Focus (Use the Force)
Skills Deception +14, Knowledge (Social Sciences) +19, Perception +16, Persuasion +14 (may reroll to activate Fear effect, must take second result; Silver Tongue), Use the Force +19 (may only use for Search Your Feelings, Sense Force, and Telepathy; may reroll to activate Fear effect, must take second result)


For obvious reasons, the time around The Old Republic MMO has the fewest builds in swse, so that was my first thought for this contest. I prefer to make my builds as plot hook-y as possible, and two different ideas came to me from what I can remember from my time playing the game. The first was the Order of Revan, but the character I felt would have been most interesting for them was a Sith Pureblood (no official swse stats unfortunately, though I might still do something for them for my second build), and Kel'eth Ur. The idea of a Sith who turned to the Light Side not out of any sense of altruism or morality, but just because he could recognize that the Dark Side sucked for short/long-term stability was just so fascinating to me. So, that's what I went with; his Holocron is a great way to either form the start of an evil-to-good campaign, or just throw a complication into a Sith-centric campaign over what to do with it.

(For anyone curious, the build pre-Holocron Gatekeeper can be found here.)
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The Arena / Saga Edition Revived Build Contest #2: The Old Republic
« Last post by chellewalker on February 06, 2025, 09:55:46 pm »
Thousands of years before the Clone Wars and the rise of Palpatine, it is the time of the Old Republic! For any newcomers to these contests, how this works is you're given a contest theme (in this case it'll be that of "the Old Republic"), and participants in the contest can make any kind of build they want to try and match that theme (complying with the rules below, which largely amount to "keep to official swse rules"). Once all builds are submitted and the deadline is reached (21 days from the contest's posting, which for this contest would be February the 27th), then people get two votes to pick whatever build they like the most; after a week of voting (ending on the 6th of March), the build with the most votes, wins!

For this build contest, we're going to the most expansive of eras in Star Wars: the Old Republic. Whether it be the ancient clashes of Exar Kun against the Jedi, the rise of Revan against the Mandalorians and Republic, or the time of the Great Galactic War, the Old Republic covers any time before the Ruusan Reformation and after the Republic's first founding. Feel free to tackle your own favorite characters in this time period, as there's no shortage of ideas to draw from!

Before you get to building however, there have been two changes to the rules since the last build contest. Firstly, Planned Generation has had its upper limit raised from 25 to 28 points for characters (23 points for Droids), as per the Dawn of Defiance campaign guidelines. Secondly, voting for the next contest's build theme will be done doing the voting period, rather than the submission window (the selected build theme is still chosen at random, so if votes are cast for themes "A', "A", and "B", then "A" has a 67% chance and "B" has a 33% chance).

With all that out of the way, good luck to contest participants, and I look forward to seeing how creative the community can get with these contests!


While these rules may be subject to change for future build contests, right now they are as follows:
  • Builds are limited to a max of Heroic Level 20. For Classes, Feats, Powers, and Talents, please use official Saga Edition sourcebooks.
  • All builds must comply with either a Standard Package, a 28-or-less-point Planned Generation for characters, or a 23-or-less-point Planned Generation for Droids.
  • You are limited to 2 builds per contest. This keeps it a fair game.
  • Please stay on topic of the thread. If something needs to be discussed more in detail, please start another thread and move your thoughts there. This keeps the contest thread clean and simple.
  • You will have 21 days to submit builds, starting from this post. After the 21 days, 7 more days for voting will be available. Winners will be decided by a simple majority of the cast votes for the submitter that has the largest total number of votes. Only two votes per member is allowed (but one vote per build). You may not vote for yourself and no redos. All VOTES ARE FINAL!
  • Individuals can vote for the theme of the next build contest as part of the build voting voting. The same theme can be voted for by multiple people, and the next theme is chosen at random from the collected votes.
  • The most important rule: HAVE FUN!!! Think outside of the box, and let those awesome dreams we all have take shape!
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The Arena / Re: Saga Edition Revived Build Contest #1: The Jedi Order
« Last post by chellewalker on January 05, 2025, 02:55:45 pm »
Alright, I'm closing voting now. It looks like with 3 votes, sienn_sconn's CL 15 build of Cin Drallig has won the contest; congratulations to them, and thank you to everyone that contributed! I've already put the suggested build themes through a randomizer, and it gave me back "The Old Republic", so look forward to that sometime around mid- to late-February.

Finally, if anyone has any feedback for how future build contests could be run, then feel free to let me know. Two things that I already plan to change for next time is raising the Planned Generation point limit to 28, and posting another Reddit post when voting starts to draw peoples' attention back to it.
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The Arena / Re: Saga Edition Revived Build Contest #1: The Jedi Order
« Last post by lil_literalist on January 05, 2025, 01:29:59 am »
I'm voting for
sienn_sconn's Cin Drallig (CL 15)
SilverIcon's Miska Eoliss, the Crystal Seer (CL 9)

I admire the effort and thought that was put into faithfully representing all of the forms for Cin Drallig while still keeping it at an appropriate power level and optimization.
I also admire the use of Know Your Enemy in the Crystal Seer as a useful part of the build, one which uses Farseeing without going all-in on it. I like playing around with reactions and having options, and this seems to be a great build to do that.
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The Arena / Re: Saga Edition Revived Build Contest #1: The Jedi Order
« Last post by SilverIcon on January 04, 2025, 10:06:22 pm »
I'll vote for Thiy Dhahk and Cin Drallig. I like the idea and story behind Thiy Dhahk, and the Talent selection for her is fun. I'm a sucker for Lightsaber Form stuff, so seeing them represented in ways besides just the Talents themselves on Cin Drallig was cool and creative. I'm completely fine with The Old Republic being the next topic, but for the sake of there being options I'll suggest Clone Wars Separatists.
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Star Wars Saga Edition General / Re: Saga Index
« Last post by Sparx MacGyver on December 31, 2024, 07:45:06 pm »
I did try saving it in the new format, and I also tried opening it in Google Drive - typically it has great results and doesn't fudge things when opening files. But these may just be old enough that nay formulas/macros/whatever is going on just can't function properly whiteout a previous software. I wholeheartedly agree with you on tech advancement.
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The Arena / Re: Saga Edition Revived Build Contest #1: The Jedi Order
« Last post by chellewalker on December 31, 2024, 06:30:24 pm »
Going to go ahead and vote for StevenO's Background Jedi and SilverIcon's Miska Eoliss. The Background Jedi is great as a utility build for Gamemasters, especially with some abilities earmarked to be swapped out for variety, and Miska Eoliss has a good couple plothooks and is a low enough level that they can be used in low- and mid-level campaigns pretty easily. And since no one else has voted for a build theme for the next contest, I'll go ahead and vote for "The Old Republic" to get the ball rolling.
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Star Wars Saga Edition General / Re: Saga Index
« Last post by StevenO on December 31, 2024, 06:22:44 pm »
It might just be the "old man" in me but I know one of the things I've always hated about "advancing technology" has been the intentional obsolesces of things just to keep things going.  Maybe these new programs can do some things better but the old stuff still worked for 95% of the stuff (or more) and was often more stable and efficient.

Ever try opening the Index in Open Office and saving it under a new format?  NO idea how well that works although I guess I did have one of the "free" office suites that I used the Index on before finally getting an MS Office I don't need to update and pay for every year.
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Star Wars Saga Edition General / Re: Saga Index
« Last post by Sparx MacGyver on December 31, 2024, 05:25:54 pm »
I assumed so. I've thought reworking the index into a new, more modern format (like open office), seeing as I'm pretty sure the previous one is probably some 10+ years old. I'd imagine it probably originated around 2012/2013, at least. According to Google, the .xls format it's in was for Microsoft Excel 97/2000/XP.
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Star Wars Saga Edition General / Re: Saga Index
« Last post by StevenO on December 31, 2024, 04:00:25 pm »
Anybody still working on this? I used to reference this regularly for finding things quickly, but now it seems to not work. My current file is stuck with some filters on the Starships page and I can't seem to change that back, while a fresh copy non of the drop tabs work on any pages.

Everything seems to be listed and is there, but can't use the filters on the top row.

I'll wonder who else might see this.  I'm not sure what new material would go on it but I'm guessing it's possible that something accidentally got saved or over written.  Guess the other possibly is that some "upgrade" with the actual spreadsheet program (or maybe even OS) has caused the problem.
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