TheSagaContinues

Thoughts on adding additional backgrounds from the Saga Edition Wiki?  If nothing else, the Jedi Training Clan backgrounds (the Jedi Skill pool is so shallow and this really helps open it up in a way that totally makes sense)?  I know we've got a SagaEdition.com tab that we can check or uncheck.

https://swse.fandom.com/wiki/Untested_Backgrounds

It would be nice to get the basic sheet up and running first. You can always grant class skills and any other house rules you want by using the Bonus tab. There is a House Rules tab but I'm not sure what it does. Is sagaedition.com still a thing? Anyway, I would do the house rules integration after the sheet is working, assuming your brother wants to do all that work.

While we're waiting, Custom Starship Sheet 1.09; is there any way to modify it so that certain options can be chosen more than once (besides hanger bay and weapons)?  Like Medical Bay or Passenger Seating/Quarters?

I haven't used that sheet in years so I can't really help. Is has its own thread here but I don't know if that helps much:

https://thesagacontinues.createaforum.com/general-discussion/excel-custom-starship-modification-tool-for-saga/

I take it back, we've been using:
SagaSheet 1.4 (Ilmion fixed 0.5)

Ok. There are many bugs others have fixed since then; there have been at least 10 revisions. Do you think your brother could combine his bug fixes with the bug fixes of the latest Sagasheet (ver. 1.5.0)? That would truly awesome.

My brother has updated the sagasheet a couple of times.  I'll look into trying to get it where others can get it.

What did he update?

This has always been the thing I've been most puzzled about in SAGA. Why is Force Grip (more commonly known as Force CHOKE...) not a dark side power? One could argue it's the poster boy for a dark side power in the original trilogy. The Emperor uses Force Lightning once, but Darth Vader keeps choking people left and right. Sure, it's dark sidey to use the Force in a violent manner, to harm "innocent" officers, but I would think that the power itself is drenched in the dark side. So, even if you used it in self-defense, I would absolutely deal you a dark side point right away.

So this power is a rarity for me: it's something that I houserule in SAGA. Generally, SAGA is so well designed that I very rarely houserule anything. There's nothing mechanically wrong in Force Grip, but I seem to have a different philosophy here.

In the films, next there's the matter of Luke entering Jabba's palace and seemingly Force choking the gamorrean guards. Is that the reason it's not a dark side power? I always thought that Luke IS actually using a dark side power here, to help the audience understand that he's not THAT different from his father, that he does have all the same potential for darkness (even if he will choose another path in the end). So yeah, a dark side point to Luke from me!

A final matter to consider is the nature of the power itself. What does it do, really? It's written in SAGA as a purely telekinetic thing, and even has the telekinetic label in the errata. Ok, you are just exerting some pressure on someone's body, bit like Force Slam? I guess it's possible to think of it that way... but it always seemed to me to be something more. A power to choke the LIFE out of someone, even if used just in moderation and non-lethally. The dark side of the Force sucking not just the air out of your lungs, but the life out of your body!

So, what do you think? A clever telekinetic battle trick, or summoning forth the power of darkness itself?

I have no problem with a GM house-ruling that Force Grip is a dark side force power. I agree with pretty much everything you mentioned. In the previous version of Saga Edition which was called the Revised Core Rulebook, Force Grip was a dark side force power. Using it earned you an automatic Darkside Point.

What makes a Force power "Dark" often seems to simply be a matter of, "Did the bad guy use this? If yes, then it's darkside." If we apply that to Force Grip, then it should definitely be a dark side power.

Quote from: StevenO on August 08, 2021, 03:18:04 pm

What type of "update" are you talking about?  My question is what error are in it because there really isn't anything to update.

Formatting stuff, rearranging some columns, adding in a playable droid model column, consolidation of error fixes. Update in the sense of a consolidation of major things I'd been meaning to do for a while.

I'm not working on this anymore, so feel free to post an updated version. If you could tell us what has been "rearranged" that would be great.

I have uploaded a new version of Sagasheet 1.5.0 to fix a Visual Basic error message that shows up when accessing the Statblock tab. Download from the first post of this thread or from my sig.