Author Topic: The Rogue One Official Discussion Thread with SPOILERS  (Read 766 times)

StevenO

  • Global Moderator
  • Grandmaster of the Jedi Order
  • *****
  • Posts: 4939
  • Dark or Light? Why choose when neither is right?
    • View Profile
It's not the AT-AT of Hoth but the AT-ACT (armorer cargo transport).  If I need SAGA Stats for it I'll take the AT-AT and lose the Heavy Laser Cannons (plus a pair of gunners/crew) and cut the "passenger" capacity all for more cargo space; figure cutting out some of it's teeth would probably reduce the CL to 11-12.

What other hardware doesn't have SWSE stats?
Repulsor Tank:  I don't know it's specifics but it's likely analogous to some of the speeder tanks we already have.
AT-ACT:  Already mentioned above.
K-2SO base model:  Can probably find an appropriate 4th degree droid to reskin although we may not know a lot about the base model.  Would we say it's large sized or just on the upper end of large?
TIE Striker:   TIE Fighter analogy specialized for atmospheric use?
TIE Striker Shuttle:
Those bigger imperial transport ships
Krennic's shuttle:
U-Wing

What other ships from the battle?
Over 14,500 post on the WotC board before they closed the SAGA board.

fairytalejedi

  • Jedi Council Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 908
  • Grand High Saber-Twirler
    • View Profile
(and didn't the Mon Calamari join the Rebellion after A New Hope?).

In Legends continuity, maybe. ;)

The whole point of A New Hope was that they didn't have the big ships needed to fight a major engagement

But the Ep 4 opening crawl says that Rebel spaceships have just won their first victory against the evil Galactic Empire. Sounds like a major engagement to me. (IMO, the biggest problem with this is not Rogue One, but the episode of Rebels - Season 1 finale, I think - which shows a major engagement between the Rebel fleet and the Imperials. I still hold the position that there's the movies and then there's everything else, regardless of this new "everything is equally canon" nonsense that they're pushing.)
Member of the WotC Star Wars community from 2002-2013

Winner of UDB #15, #22
Winner of TDJ #1
Like Like x 1 View List

Sparx MacGyver

  • Jedi Council Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 624
  • Location: Moogle Cave above Narshe
    • View Profile
There was that feeling of overwhelming odds on the ground at Scarif.  Nothing like waves of reinforcements and AT-AT's to ruin an infantry trooper's day.
That's probably the realest thing ever. The Empire seems to be a conglomerate of certain nations/styles. You've got German/Nazi uniforms, and a sort of combination of German/British efficiency, followed by the Russian doctrine of Heavy Armor and lots and lots of men. Well, at least from days of old. I dunno how well that stacks up against the more modern military of today.

No opening crawl?!  What the heck?!  When did the day come that a Star Wars movie opens without a crawl?!
Yeah, this rather jarring. No opening crawl, not even the usual fan fare with the STAR WARS blasting ont eh screen really made it feel awkward and jarring. Just seemed like I wasn't watching a Star Wars movie at first. then again, I guess that's to be expected since the crawl is only supposed to be used in the primary IX Saga movies.

The Rebel fleet above Scarif.  It felt like the fleet had more ships than what was Endor (and didn't the Mon Calamari join the Rebellion after A New Hope?).  The whole point of A New Hope was that they didn't have the big ships needed to fight a major engagement, hence they had to stage lots of hit-and-runs, besides only having a few squadrons of fighters to attack the Death Star.  I know they can retcon it all with 'losses at Scarif' and whatnot, but still a sticky point for me.
I can't say this bothered me much. Once I've seen how many were destroyed, it made sense that they had only a handful remaining, and unfortunatly, they just choose to not throw everything they have left at the Death Star a few days later. Instead, just a couple squadrons of fighters. I suppose we could find an explanation for that somehow, but that's the only part that irks me regarding the 'fleet'. It seems like that one Admiral made the call to ride into battle and then so many paid the price for it. On the plus side, they got the plans, sooo...win?

Too many planet jumps for me.  I like to see new planets, but I think seven is too many to cram into a single film (but I guess we got spoiled with lots of other films by getting to wander around on them for a period of time).
Now I can get behind this. I won't complain about desert/snow planets, as I think they are just going to be a permanent fixture of SW for the rest of the time. WHile there wasn't any snow, I believe Jedha was located on a desert planet. (side note: why are scifi planets almost always a single biome? Sometimes 2 biome's, but usually just one) We did get a few new planets this time around. The beginning planet where Papa Erso was taken away was a nice change, and I really loved Scariff. That was just an awesome shake up of what we usually get. But yeah, we didn't get to take much in when it comes to like the first 30 minutes of the film, give or take.

Didn't the AT-AT get developed after A New Hope?
I dunno. I know we didn't originaolly see them until ESB, but then the PT had to go and put some walkers that while different and smaller, you could see the idea of how the Empire came to build them. Similar with the Starfighters that would later be seen. Then again, this is probably my biggest grief with the new material being put out. I feel nothing is explained to a decent level, and it's almost expected or demanded that you will view ancilliary material, like a novelization, or the other comics/books/cartoons to get the rest of the info. Visual guides and dictionaries are cool, but I feel I shouldn't have to rely on extra media to have this explained. Then again, I was spoiled with some 31 years of EU, almost 40 if you go back to 1977.
PM me for my link to a huge Saga Repository!``

Sparx MacGyver

  • Jedi Council Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 624
  • Location: Moogle Cave above Narshe
    • View Profile
But the Ep 4 opening crawl says that Rebel spaceships have just won their first victory against the evil Galactic Empire. Sounds like a major engagement to me. (IMO, the biggest problem with this is not Rogue One, but the episode of Rebels - Season 1 finale, I think - which shows a major engagement between the Rebel fleet and the Imperials. I still hold the position that there's the movies and then there's everything else, regardless of this new "everything is equally canon" nonsense that they're pushing.)

I had totally forgotten about that one small line from the crawl. Hmm, it would imply something major went down.

This does make me wonder about Vader's "I've traced the Rebel Spies back to her..." line. I always assumed he was doing some detective work, and he had to really fight to track all this down, unloading on Rebels as he went. The end of Rogue One makes it appear as if he just got back on his Star Destroyer and was on her tail within 20 minutes. (We'll kill those pesky rebels in 20 minutes or less, or your next planet will be glassed for free!) However, thinking about it, it would make sense. Anakin is supposed to be a great general (at least he is in TCW), and then Vader later proclaims Hoth as where the Rebels are. I bet if he had some officers/crew checking the most likely planets in their last known trajectory, he would probably be like "Yep, Tattooine. Maximum Warp! Engage!" I'd also like to think that Leia made multiple smaller jumps to throw them off, and as soon as she landed in the system, swapped transponder codes and raised the ambassador flag to help hide.

At least that's my personal theory on how it happened.
PM me for my link to a huge Saga Repository!``

Sparx MacGyver

  • Jedi Council Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 624
  • Location: Moogle Cave above Narshe
    • View Profile
K-2SO base model:  Can probably find an appropriate 4th degree droid to reskin although we may not know a lot about the base model.  Would we say it's large sized or just on the upper end of large?

I'm not sure I'd go with a 4th degree. Most of them seem built for combat, while K-2SO appears to be a protocol or other type of droid. He doesn't seem to have the frame for such a combat oriented job. Although, he was reprogrammed, so I could see finding a Protocol droid, and moving things a bit, and giving him 4th degree. In effect, I figure he'd be like a Taller HK-47. And I don't really think he is Large sized, he appears to be like a wookiee, just falls on the taller end of Medium.

As for vehicles, I think you've covered most of them being listed. Is there anything we're missing?
PM me for my link to a huge Saga Repository!``

fairytalejedi

  • Jedi Council Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 908
  • Grand High Saber-Twirler
    • View Profile
"My lord, we've traced the Rebel ship's transponder code. It's registered as a courier from Alderaan, but that could be a forgery."

"What is its trajectory?"

"It appears to be headed to the Arkanis Sector, my lord."

"Organa is a fool! Set your course for Tatooine, Captain, and prepare to take that ship into custody."

"But, my lord, if the transponder code is genuine, that vessel has diplomatic immunity! And there is no Rebel presence on Tatooine; it's controlled by the Hutts."

"I don't need you to tell me who controls Tatooine! Obey my orders at once, Captain, or I will find another officer who will!"

"Y-Yes, Lord Vader!"

 ;D
Member of the WotC Star Wars community from 2002-2013

Winner of UDB #15, #22
Winner of TDJ #1
Funny Funny x 1 View List

StevenO

  • Global Moderator
  • Grandmaster of the Jedi Order
  • *****
  • Posts: 4939
  • Dark or Light? Why choose when neither is right?
    • View Profile
On the Hammerhead pushing the disabled ISD into the path of the second ISD causing massive destruction:  Here I'd say it's all about force and the how and where it is applied.  It seems to me the Hammerhead made some very deliberate contact in such a way that the impact could be constructive to an momentum that both ships had; think of it as a tugboat pushing up against the side of a much bigger ship.  When the second ISD made contact it was at such an angle of force that instead of being constructive it was highly destructive; this is that second big ship coming it at such a speed and angle that the hull of the first ship can't absorb the hit which leads to destruction.  That scene actually made plenty of sense to me as far as that goes; why two massive capital ships would be operating so close to each other is another story.

I kind of like the planet hoping.  It may seem the planets all lack bio-diversity but we usually only see a small portion of a planet and how a planet is built could contribute to some sameness as well.  Take away the Earth's tilt and break up some currents so they run north and south instead of around and the climate here could equalize some.  If Antarctica wasn't surrounded by the Southern sea and the strong current that runs all the way around the earth its climate would change a lot more than in already does due to the tilt from summer to winter.


A little more reading on K-2SO says he's a KX-series Security Droid with a height just over 2m/7ft.  Security Droid means 4th-degree but which doesn't necessarily mean "combat"; his frame probably gives him improved visibility and his STR helps deal with unarmed issues.
Over 14,500 post on the WotC board before they closed the SAGA board.

MERC_1

  • Grandmaster of the Jedi Order
  • ******
  • Posts: 1726
  • Keeper of the sacred blade
    • View Profile
Some observations:

They play around a lot with shadows and focus in this film. Trying to use shadows for added dramatic effect, and using focus to take away the attention from unimportant people. This didn't look that good in 3D at least.

I missed the crawl!

All the planet hopping made it seem like this was the story of a computer game more than a film.

The finale where the info is passed through a hole looks bad to me, The idea is great, just the execution looks a bit constructed, rigid and flawed.

Over all a great film, I hope I will like it even more when the fix it in 20 years or so...

« Last Edit: January 12, 2017, 05:15:47 pm by MERC_1 »

Serfious

  • Youngling
  • *
  • Posts: 22
    • View Profile
It's not the AT-AT of Hoth but the AT-ACT (armorer cargo transport).  If I need SAGA Stats for it I'll take the AT-AT and lose the Heavy Laser Cannons (plus a pair of gunners/crew) and cut the "passenger" capacity all for more cargo space; figure cutting out some of it's teeth would probably reduce the CL to 11-12.

What other hardware doesn't have SWSE stats?
Repulsor Tank:  I don't know it's specifics but it's likely analogous to some of the speeder tanks we already have.
AT-ACT:  Already mentioned above.
K-2SO base model:  Can probably find an appropriate 4th degree droid to reskin although we may not know a lot about the base model.  Would we say it's large sized or just on the upper end of large?
TIE Striker:   TIE Fighter analogy specialized for atmospheric use?
TIE Striker Shuttle:
Those bigger imperial transport ships
Krennic's shuttle:
U-Wing

What other ships from the battle?

Also Admiral Raddus's ship and the modern Hammer-head ship. If one was ambitious they could stat up the space station over the shield generator as well.

Also, as for K-2's size it could easily go either way, but while he's tall he's not that wide and can fit into seats easily, so I am leaning Medium just like a Wookiee is Medium.

ZehnWaters

  • Jedi Knight
  • ***
  • Posts: 204
    • View Profile
I'm not going to lie, seeing Princess Leia at the end, after Carrie Fisher had died three days prior, was rough.
-ZehnWaters, the Silaglaren