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Re: Star Wars Rebels **SPOILERS!***
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2014, 06:12:36 pm »
I enjoy the overall premise. However, the animation and writing, especially dialogue, is awful, just awful. The characters and the voice work are okay, at best. I feel like the show would be a lot better if it wasn't a children's show designed to sell toys. And the simple fact that the canon was burned for this means I'll give it no kindness. 0/5.
Coming out strong in your 1st post. Rebel might have its issues (Ezra's annoying nature, some dialogue issues), but doesn't deserve a 0/5. It's a strong 3. I love Sabine, Hera, and Chopper. The strong-arm guy (forgot his name) seems to need work.

I dislike when people rate anything based on animation. Unless you are in the animation business, its just lame to nick-pick like that.
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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2014, 07:50:01 pm »
I enjoy the overall premise. However, the animation and writing, especially dialogue, is awful, just awful. The characters and the voice work are okay, at best. I feel like the show would be a lot better if it wasn't a children's show designed to sell toys. And the simple fact that the canon was burned for this means I'll give it no kindness. 0/5.

Welcome to the boards! All opinions are welcome. I didn't find the dialogue particularly brilliant, but then, was Clone Wars movie any better? As for the animation, I find it almost identical to The Clone Wars tv show, which is what I was expecting since it's almost the same crew. Anyway, now we get to see what CGI Tie Fighters look like.

I enjoy the overall premise. However, the animation and writing, especially dialogue, is awful, just awful. The characters and the voice work are okay, at best. I feel like the show would be a lot better if it wasn't a children's show designed to sell toys. And the simple fact that the canon was burned for this means I'll give it no kindness. 0/5.
Coming out strong in your 1st post. Rebel might have its issues (Ezra's annoying nature, some dialogue issues), but doesn't deserve a 0/5. It's a strong 3. I love Sabine, Hera, and Chopper. The strong-arm guy (forgot his name) seems to need work.

I think most people will need fleshing out. After all, it's only one episode. Also, I'm not even familiar with that big guy's species, as I'd never heard of them before.

I dislike when people rate anything based on animation. Unless you are in the animation business, its just lame to nick-pick like that.

But it's fun to nitpick and bash and destroy other people's work! How many times have we burned George Lucas at the stake now?

0/5 is pretty harsh. :) Canon was burned for the sequel trilogy. Rebels being canon is just a side effect.

Good point.

One thing I still don't like is Ezra. He's doing things as an untrained Force sensitive that fly in the face of what the movies established with Anakin and Luke.

Like what?

That plus the fact that we've seen the master/apprentice relationship before. At this point it adds nothing, it's just boring repetition. I'd like the crew a lot more if Ezra did not exist. Sabine could be the proxy for the audience if necessary.

I don't know. To me, Star Wars = the Force, lightsabers, Jedi, and Sith. Without the Force, it would be like every other science fiction show.

PS: Boy a lot of people seem to hate Ezra! He doesn't bother me that much. He's just a kid.
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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2014, 08:26:12 pm »

One thing I still don't like is Ezra. He's doing things as an untrained Force sensitive that fly in the face of what the movies established with Anakin and Luke.

Like what?

I think FTJ is referring to the holocron he unlocked. I do believe I read many places it is not an easy task to do. But then again the storyteller in me could say, that the Force fearing the out of balanceof almost all Jedi being slaughtered... assisted Ezra in opening it. I mean it was calling out to him after all.

Also, I'm not even familiar with that big guy's species, as I'd never heard of them before.

I do believe a friend found that the big guy is what a wookie was originally going to look like. So basically that was Lucas's original idea of Chewbacca in the beginning. Also the original artist that did the art work for story boards for Lucas in the 70's... the starting city they are in his design of what Coruscant I think my friend said.
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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2014, 08:27:44 pm »
Luke and Anakin had no telekinetic powers before they were trained. Ezra does, and they're pretty impressive.

I agree that a Star Wars show needs a Jedi, and they have Kanan. For once I'd like to see a Star Wars show that didn't have an Ahsoka/Ezra/etc. We don't need to repeat that territory yet again. It's been done enough.
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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2014, 08:37:06 pm »


I think FTJ is referring to the holocron he unlocked.

Not just that. I don't want to spoil it for those who might not have seen the latest episode, but in game terms Ezra would not only have to be trained in UtF, he would also have to have at least one Force Training feat.
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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2014, 01:47:19 am »
I've actually enjoyed the show more than I thought I would. I missed The Clone Wars when it was on, but later discovered ti was pretty great. This show has so far (to me at least) gotten off to a 'meh' start, and a somewhat fast passed/rushed deal. I've only seen the first two episodes (I know some have access to the episodes early, i don't), but I hope they slow it down a bit. I know they only have a time frame of something like 18 years to work with, but dang, slow the pace back a bit. I mean, TCW had decent pacing for the most part, and it only spanned, what, 3 years? Beyond that, the voice acting is decent, dialogue seems OK for a first season so far (and a kids show to boot), and the animation isn't so bad. Ezra's eyes bug me for some reason, don't know why. I am annoyed at the Ships 'blaster' sounds. Doesn't sound right to me.

Beyond my minor nit-picking, I think the show is doing good so far.
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« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2014, 10:58:20 am »
when I said, first three, I was counting sparks as one and two.  You can find them on sites likes watchcartoononline.  Prolly broke some rules posting the name of that site but w/e

edit: and I'm watching fighter flight right now
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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2014, 03:49:35 pm »
I do think the first two are the pilot.
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« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2014, 09:08:34 pm »
when I said, first three, I was counting sparks as one and two.  You can find them on sites likes watchcartoononline.  Prolly broke some rules posting the name of that site but w/e

edit: and I'm watching fighter flight right now

Good idea. The quality is pretty good too.

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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2014, 09:35:20 pm »
I ever get time I can finally watch the last season of Clone Wars!!! Thanks DSiS.
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« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2014, 12:22:06 pm »
I enjoy the overall premise. However, the animation and writing, especially dialogue, is awful, just awful. The characters and the voice work are okay, at best. I feel like the show would be a lot better if it wasn't a children's show designed to sell toys. And the simple fact that the canon was burned for this means I'll give it no kindness. 0/5.
Coming out strong in your 1st post. Rebel might have its issues (Ezra's annoying nature, some dialogue issues), but doesn't deserve a 0/5. It's a strong 3. I love Sabine, Hera, and Chopper. The strong-arm guy (forgot his name) seems to need work.

I dislike when people rate anything based on animation. Unless you are in the animation business, its just lame to nick-pick like that.

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Some of the side characters have potential, but I don't think we are going to see them achieve that potential so long as they are stuck in a poorly made show designed to push toys on children. As it is, I think we are going to see the same predictable routines. And let me say, being a children's show is not an excuse for poor quality. Just because you think kids are dumb and have poor taste doesn't make it true, and it certainly isn't an excuse not to try. People should put more effort if anything. Your audience is children and you have a responsibility to properly educate and entertain them. Not shove the mental equivalent of soda and chips down their throat.

When Disney bought Star Wars, the first thing I said was they are going to cancel Clone Wars(which I'm also not a fan of) and then make their own, worse, show so they can push merchandising. It's what they did to Spectacular Spider-Man, and they did not fail to live up to expectations. It also wasn't hard to predict every turn the show was going to take. And frankly, I'm just not much in the mood to watch hours upon hours of force users forgetting they have telekinesis again. "Oh no, he's getting away. If only I had a suite of super powers that included blinding speed, the ability to just pick him up and hold him in place with my mind, or the ability to make him implode." Of course we can't regularly remember that we have those or the plot would fall to pieces. Bleh.

I feel that you should judge the animation in an animated work in the exact same way you would judge the acting, score, cinematography, gameplay, style, mechanices, or any other such aspect in other works. I don't see how it could be nit picking. Minute criticism(not that animation in an animated work is minute) is not automatically negative. The beauty is in the details, they form the foundation of a work. If the foundation isn't there, everything tumbles down. This are things to get right, not ignore or handwave away as 'nitpicking'. I also do have a background in animation so this isn't just random ****ing on my end. The animation was pretty painful to watch, the 3d models and textures are not impressive, and the backgrounds and environments just feel empty. Everything also has this cheap plastic look and feel, especially when the humanoids are in motion or we get a closeup of hair. Gods the hair is bad.

I would also like to know who played Mass Effect 3 and decided that Freddy Prince Jr. should do more voice work. He is too stiff and unemotive, his default is to read a line like he is reading a grocery list.

I'm with most everyone with hating Erza. Boring character that we've seen a million times with super weird eyes. I'm tired of children saving the world. I didn't like it as a child and I certainly don't like it now. I'm all worked up on this one because I've been watching a lot of anime of late and I'm fed up with children saving the world with the power of ****ing friendship. Let the adults(the people with experience, skill, and training) take care of matters.


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« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2014, 06:32:25 pm »
I do think it is psychologically healthy for some heroes of a fictional work to be the most unlikeliest of heroes.


Children, lacking any skill or experience, are extremely unlikely heroes. 


They are, however, over-used in modern works.
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« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2014, 05:20:34 pm »
So I just watched return of the old masters...and here are some thoughts...

Kanan is completely inconsistent with his abilities to a slightly eye-rolling extent.  It seems he is fairly competent in close-quarters combat (totally ju-jitsood some stormies), but not lightsaber combat, as it was apparent that the inquisitor held the upper hand during their duel.  Or, the Inquisitor is just that good.  However, Kanan was able to pin him to the ceiling for several seconds.  The Inquisitor's weapon was completely stationary, pinned along with the rest of his body.  He was totally defenseless and helpless.

If Ezra even had smidgen of intelligence or initiative, he would have grabbed Kanan's lightsaber, which was within his reach, and impaled the Inquisitor.   

I mean I know it's not the Jedi way to kill helpless/defenseless opponents, but doing something like that is really no different than exploiting a trip or a tumble as Qui-Gon, Anakin and Obi-Wan and almost every Jedi who duel do to each other in the Movies, or their exploiting another opening in their defenses.  I mean, when do you draw the line between helpless and...helpful to oneself?  Self-Helpable?  I mean then I could say Jedi only kill defenseless targets, by swatting their victim's lightsaber/weapon out of the way, rendering their victim helpless, so they can slice them to death. 

Ezra is extremely irritating.  Something dramatic needs to happen soon which alters his personality drastically.  He needs a family member on Lothel to be killed by the Inquisitor.  There is literally no tragedy which has occurred for the audience to sympathize with their Hero.  He's an annoying.  And whiny.  Oh god, they brought back little Annie...F***.  I think it would be healthy for everyone over the mental age of 7 to if they would just skip a couple years forward so Ezra can be 17 or 18.  Luckily, this isn't like the prequels.  I guess the latest trend with Star Wars material is to F*** it up and then go back with a later story and try to fix it.   

If this show does not grab my attention and interest by the second season, I will not continue to watch it.  That's how long I'm giving it, because there is way tooooo much I forgive "because it's Star Wars" already, and 2 seasons is more than enough.  If they can't pull it off by then, then they F***ed this show up badly.
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« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2014, 06:33:20 pm »
It makes sense to me that Kanan would be better at brawling than dueling. He was still very young when Order 66 happened and hasn't had much chance to use a lightsaber, but has appatently been in his fair share of bar brawls.

I was really irritated by the Form III reference because Kanan wouldn't really have a preferred form (his training didn't get that far) and his master didn't favor Form III anyway based on everything that's now Legends. Why even include that statement in the show? It made no sense at all.
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« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2014, 06:51:14 pm »
the statement was a poor attempt to show the Inquisitor's cunning side as well as an attempt to show that he was versed in Jedi tactics and specializes in countering against them.  He also said it because since he said it, it will become canon, and therefore be relevant to Kanan, and throw him off-guard.

Of course, he's not that good at countering jedi methods.  He got out-maneuvered by a child, and then he was pinned to the ceiling telekinetically by a Jedi who probably never even reached Knighthood.  He was also completely unphased by this, or was too stupid to realize that he could have easily been killed. 
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