Author Topic: Star Wars Episode 7: The Force Awakens Official Discussion Thread  (Read 4791 times)

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I've seen some of those fan trailers before.  My BIGGEST complaint about them is simply when someone tries to pass them off as official.  If you come out at the top and say it is a work of fantasy then that's one thing but to pull the con is another.
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Kinda bored me, I felt like it relied too much on gratuitous shots of new characters to actually be an engaging trailer. I did get excited when the Falcon showed up, though, evne if Han;s line was a veritable fondue of cheese.
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What irks me is that we're apparently stuck with X-wings v. TIEs, rebels v. stormtroopers. However you feel about the prequels, they at least gave us new planets, new ships, new stock baddies (combat droids of various shapes and sizes). By contrast, the first official glimpse of the sequel trilogy gives us a stormtrooper on a desert planet. Gee, how original. ::)

My fear is that the sequels are going to be nothing more than nostalgia fanservice.
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I like this new fan edited version, specially the X-wing pilot head dodge!!!

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Lol, well played.
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I love that fan trailer. The ending cracks me up. Reminds me of the time my players got too cocky, took down a few ties in there freighter, kept egging the imperials on so they sent allot of ties like that. Great stuff.
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Remember this is a teaser trailer. It meant to get in interested enough w/o giving you the whole show at once. December promises a full trailer according to the general buzz online.
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Yeah, but people will complain about anything and everything, and this little teaser trailer has been dissected six ways to Sunday already. Like, people, really? We have a year and some change before the movie even comes out. Let's just chill. I'm avoiding spoilers and rumors because I don't care for them. It won't matter until I see the movie anyway, and besides, I want to feel like a kid watching Return of The Jedi  on Thanksgiving weekend again.
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If there's one thing you can count on, it's people hating on Star Wars movies. How many times have we crucified George Lucas already? We've burned him at the stake over and over again.

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How many times have we crucified George Lucas already? We've burned him at the stake over and over again.

He deserves/ed it all. If he was still in complete charge this is what happens to Episode 7. It is done being shot and 100% edited. But Lucas will keep the editors on editing the tiniest little things. You can see evidence of this if you own the Blu-Ray release of the movies in the extras that come with it. Lucas "Hmmm can you make Padme wait 2 more seconds before she blinks." Notice the lack of a ? there as this is more of a must do statement. Editor 1 of 20 makes a face of you got be F'n kidding me but says "I think I can freeze frame only her for 2 seconds if you want Mr. Lucas?"

He will do this crap till right before the movie is needed to be sent for the first real public viewing. Instead of worrying about things like continuity and those pesky plot holes he puts there.
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How many times have we crucified George Lucas already? We've burned him at the stake over and over again.

He deserves/ed it all. If he was still in complete charge this is what happens to Episode 7. It is done being shot and 100% edited. But Lucas will keep the editors on editing the tiniest little things. You can see evidence of this if you own the Blu-Ray release of the movies in the extras that come with it. Lucas "Hmmm can you make Padme wait 2 more seconds before she blinks." Notice the lack of a ? there as this is more of a must do statement. Editor 1 of 20 makes a face of you got be F'n kidding me but says "I think I can freeze frame only her for 2 seconds if you want Mr. Lucas?"

He will do this crap till right before the movie is needed to be sent for the first real public viewing. Instead of worrying about things like continuity and those pesky plot holes he puts there.
You mean like how this one part has this whiny farm kid who, having never flown a fighter in his life, is able to go toe to toe with the Imperial Navy's finest pilots, and then proceeds to blow apart the most advanced battle station ever conceived with a single shot? Puh-leez. Biggest plot hole ever!

It is what it is.

Note: this post was laced with sarcasm.
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Wow. It's like some people forget that George Lucas created Star Wars. I could never understand how you can love Star Wars and hate Lucas at the same time. Yes, so he's made some editing decisions that can be criticized. Get over it. Do those bad decisions completely negate all the good things he's done?

I don't get all the hate.

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I am appreciative of him for creating it and dislike him for being an overly picky mother to the same creation. See an adult can separate the two different instances/circumstances. He is a great innovator and creator of Star Wars, but also one of the biggest problems with the franchise.

What I do not get is people putting words in my mouth. Like I hate the man. No I just dislike his overly mothering his creation to death. What I do not get is when I point out he deserves the crap he gets and why that someone must tell me "get over it."

Next time you disagree with someones new idea/creation/interpretation on Saga, I am sure you will be ok with anyone saying "Get over it Richter10. Because you hate it you should not voice your opinion." Well heck since we already figured this all out just now. Well I guess you will never bother even posting your disagreement at all next time.
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Remember this is a teaser trailer. It meant to get in interested enough w/o giving you the whole show at once. December promises a full trailer according to the general buzz online.

Remember that it was the folks behind this trailer that made such a big deal about it. They could have simply released it like a normal teaser trailer, but they choose to go the "OH MY ****ING GAWWWD! There's gonna be a new Star Wars trailers on BLAAAAAAAAAAACK FRIDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!" route.

So yeah when it turns out the trailer didn't quite live up to all that hype people were naturally disappointed. I get that it's a teaser trailer, but this is why you don't over sale. Also, no one owes this movie the benefit of the doubt and should be skeptical and wary of every decision and announcement. This is also certainly the time to voice your opinion on the direction of the film as they still have time to change things in editing and post processing.

As for Lucas, Lucas is like that rich kid who wants to show off his toys but is kind of an **** about it. He is nice enough to let you play, and man did you build some really cool stuff with all of those Legos, but he has this habbit of just breaking or screwing up your stuff. It really ****es you off but you can't really say a whole lot because they are his Legos. Still you spent like 3 weeks building that scene, **** him.

So sure, Lucas created Star Wars. But he didn't do that alone, not even during the original trilogy. He had a team of talented people working on that as well. Based on what we saw with the prequel trilogy, it's probably a good thing he had that team and listened to them. Back in the day he recognized that Star Wars was bigger than him and he opened those flood gates. A lot of talent people have worked on Star Wars. Huge swaths of what people love about Star Wars were not created by Lucas. Star Wars is not what it is today solely because of Lucas. Never the less, Lucas has, with neither regard nor respect, trampled over the works of these people and has made Star Wars lesser because of it. In some cases literally retelling worse versions of the undone works.

These weren't fan fiction. A lot of these works were made with the permission and guidance of Lucas himself. So yeah, Lucas didn't earn a lot of respect with those moves, even if it was originally his Lego set. The people who have picked up the mantle have given us no reason to assume this trend won't continue and have flat out destroyed the works that have helped keep Star Wars as a cultural icon. Marvel fans would be having a similar reaction of the movies destroyed the comic continuity and delegated it to a "legacy" status.
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I don't really consider myself a huge fan of Lucas in general, simply because my main interests in Star Wars have always been located in the EU (particularly KotOR), and so I don't feel his creative touch on most of "my" Star Wars.


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As for Lucas, Lucas is like that rich kid who wants to show off his toys but is kind of an **** about it. He is nice enough to let you play, and man did you build some really cool stuff with all of those Legos, but he has this habbit of just breaking or screwing up your stuff. It really ****es you off but you can't really say a whole lot because they are his Legos. Still you spent like 3 weeks building that scene, **** him.

Fantastic. Best description of the dynamic that I have ever seen.


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