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Re: Last Jedi discussion: Spoilers possible.
« Reply #45 on: December 24, 2017, 03:52:21 am »
I don't think the problem with her using the Force is the problem, per se. If she was a nobody with zero training, we could say she was able to reach out and use it for something (as Chirrut being an example up thread). I think the problem with Rey, overall, is that it's stated she's strong in the Force (cliche perhaps, but fits the setting like a glove). In the same movie, we see her being (relatively speaking) somewhat capable of using mind trick - and more so, she seems to get good with it in the same movie. And up to this point, in so far as we know (and TLJ seemed to confirm*) that she has no training, no idea of the Force, or Jedi ways, or anything really.

*TLJ didn't give us any details of her getting any kind of training, and I'd assume if she was a student of Luke's  he would have known about her. Also the assumption is he's really the only teacher around at this time, since there is nothing to the contrary.
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« Reply #46 on: December 24, 2017, 03:04:10 pm »
For anyone worried about Rey "suddenly becoming a strong Force User without any training," I'd point out that is entirely possible to do in game.  A character with no ability to Use the Force at all (and an Odd INT score) because they don't have Force Sensitive hits 12th-level there is nothing stopping them from taking a level of Jedi (either the first or an even level for a bonus feat) to gain Force Sensitivity, boost INT to gain a new trained Skill selecting UtF, and then pick Force Training with the general talent gained at that level.  Such a character goes from being unable to make UtF checks to making them at +11 (+CHA and any other mods) with Force Powers to use as well along with the possibility of a talent that depends on a UtF check as well.
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Re: Last Jedi discussion: Spoilers possible.
« Reply #47 on: December 24, 2017, 08:03:20 pm »
If you want to do that in my game, you better come up with a good in-universe explanation for it. I hold my rpg to a higher standard than the story group holds the new movies to.
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Re: Last Jedi discussion: Spoilers possible.
« Reply #48 on: December 24, 2017, 09:52:36 pm »
If you want to do that in my game, you better come up with a good in-universe explanation for it. I hold my rpg to a higher standard than the story group holds the new movies to.
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Re: Last Jedi discussion: Spoilers possible.
« Reply #49 on: December 25, 2017, 08:24:38 am »
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Re: Last Jedi discussion: Spoilers possible.
« Reply #50 on: December 25, 2017, 09:08:04 am »
Anakin: Little boy that had MC levels off the chart. He was the choose one. He had decades of training. Hes a Force badass.

Luke: Obi-Wan taught him to use a lightsaber against a training droid. He "uses the Force" to help twin photon torps down a tube, untrained. Other then that, he went the entire Episode Iv to V without training, often just picking up whatever. Self trained. Yoda gave him some very basic training then he ran off, fought big daddy, almost died. Found Obi-Wan's journal and teaches himself more Force bull. The man is self trained. He reads and does.

Rey: Doesn't even know shes Force sensitive until 60% through TFA. Was able the resist a memory walk and repel it. Used a mind trick without knowing how she did it. Used a lightsaber vs Kylo like shes been doing it her entire life. TLJ just gives her superpowers because they could.

Why, because Disney likes magic and that is what the Force is folks now.Why they do that? because their isnt any formal instructors anymore. Luke is gone, Snoke is gone, Kylo just likes the deep dark and honest too unstable to teach. Luke taught her only one thing, how to open herself to the Force. Its Raw power. Its like Wonder Woman at the beginning of her movie. Its this new world of "You have power within you you dont even know is there" Its a appeasement to the women overlords. Rey is stupid powerful because shes a strong independent women and she diont need no man to teach her. lololololololololol

But seriously its Disney at its finest. Force = Magic now. Training is for stupid boys. All the woman in the SWU are just badasses.
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Re: Last Jedi discussion: Spoilers possible.
« Reply #51 on: December 25, 2017, 08:45:41 pm »
It's not just Rey. Broomstick boy is the same way. They've cheapened the Force for all genders, and I don't like it.

In Saga terms, there are no trained- only applications of Use the Force in the Disneyverse. And any Force sensitive character can, at a minimum, spend a Force Point to gain a use of any power, even if they've never had any training in their lives. And this doesn't increase their DSS, because the quick and easy path is for good guys too now.
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Re: Last Jedi discussion: Spoilers possible.
« Reply #52 on: January 10, 2018, 04:19:28 pm »
This cleans up a bit of how Rey and others could get strong Force abilities out of nowhere

http://comicbook.com/starwars/2018/01/10/star-wars-rey-force-powers-darth-vader-comic/
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« Reply #53 on: January 11, 2018, 09:47:44 am »
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This cleans up a bit of how Rey and others could get strong Force abilities out of nowhere

http://comicbook.com/starwars/2018/01/10/star-wars-rey-force-powers-darth-vader-comic/

I don't really see this as an explaination of Rey's skills, so much as a a statement of why there will always be people to oppose the Emperor and Vader on their own level. Nu's arc spans from issue 7 to 10, and in 7 she's just finished creating a school, or really more of a repository, before going to retreive a list of Force-sensitives to be the students. To me, that undermines, to a degree, the idea that the Force will just "give" skills as necessary. Maybe it's Nu's faith being somewhat shaken by the events of the prequels, or because as an archivist, it's all she knows to do to cope. While it's true savants exist, I find it more likely Rey's been exposed to the teachings at some point and made to forget, or even suppress her abilities, in order to protect her. It doesn't require her to be "chosen", or a special bloodline, just vulnerable for any number of reasons. I find that more compelling in a series that has already done chosen ones, special bloodlines, and destinies

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Re: Last Jedi discussion: Spoilers possible.
« Reply #54 on: January 12, 2018, 06:53:58 am »
Did the same person who trained Rey and erased her memory also train Broom Boy and erase his memory?

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Re: Last Jedi discussion: Spoilers possible.
« Reply #55 on: January 12, 2018, 11:58:01 am »
Did the same person who trained Rey and erased her memory also train Broom Boy and erase his memory?

The sequels are bad fan fiction, nothing more.

Broom Boy is the reincarnation of the person who trained Rey and erased her memory, and then he erased his own memory, and then, once reincarnated he erased his memory of past memories of having erased any memories. ;D
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« Reply #56 on: January 12, 2018, 03:45:05 pm »
Broom Boy is the reincarnation of the person who trained Rey and erased her memory, and then he erased his own memory, and then, once reincarnated he erased his memory of past memories of having erased any memories. ;D

Seems legit. 8)
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Re: Last Jedi discussion: Spoilers possible.
« Reply #57 on: January 12, 2018, 04:31:21 pm »
I know that the last film put a lot of cannon in the trash compactor, but does not the Thala-sirens make it feel a bit better?
Yes, there was a lot of elements to the story that felt a bit strange, but I did enjoy it immensely!

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Re: Last Jedi discussion: Spoilers possible.
« Reply #58 on: January 12, 2018, 05:05:50 pm »
When I first saw the Mary Poppins thing, I assumed she was grabbing onto the ship and pulling herself toward it. I didn't think she was flying like everyone else seemed to think. That was actually one of the few things in the movie that seemed plausible to me.
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Re: Last Jedi discussion: Spoilers possible.
« Reply #59 on: January 13, 2018, 10:46:13 am »
I'm just gonna leave this here. Warning: possible Ep 9 spoilers.  ;D

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