Author Topic: Episode IX hopes? (Read 975 times)

ZehnWaters · « **Reply #15 on:** March 20, 2019, 09:08:39 am »

Quote from: fairytalejedi on March 20, 2019, 08:26:13 am

Had a conversation where it was pointed out that a good sequel has to build on the foundation established in previous installments. A sequel that ignores or worse, deliberately trashes the foundation established in previous installments, in an objectively bad sequel.

The question re: Ep IX is whether Abrams has tried to return to that foundation, and if so, how successfully he's managed to do it. But the damage done by Ep VIII can't be undone. The best I think Abrams could hope to do is craft something that would've been a satisfying conclusion to the Skywalker saga had it not been for Ep VIII. It's a shame that he was ever put in that position.

I also wonder how much he's going to lean on fanservice to try to recapture the good will of the fandom. Anakin's ghost, CGI Obi-Wan ghost, Palpatine returns, &c.

I could have accepted a plagiarized Ep. VII with a Mary Rey Sue if they'd done something decent with Ep. VIII but they didn't and Ep. VIII left nothing for IX to do. JJ is now going to have to create and resolve tension for two movies in one. Thanks Rian.

Sparx MacGyver · « **Reply #16 on:** March 20, 2019, 01:03:19 pm »

Quote from: fairytalejedi on March 20, 2019, 08:26:13 am

Had a conversation where it was pointed out that a good sequel has to build on the foundation established in previous installments. A sequel that ignores or worse, deliberately trashes the foundation established in previous installments, in an objectively bad sequel.

The question re: Ep IX is whether Abrams has tried to return to that foundation, and if so, how successfully he's managed to do it. But the damage done by Ep VIII can't be undone. The best I think Abrams could hope to do is craft something that would've been a satisfying conclusion to the Skywalker saga had it not been for Ep VIII. It's a shame that he was ever put in that position.

I also wonder how much he's going to lean on fanservice to try to recapture the good will of the fandom. Anakin's ghost, CGI Obi-Wan ghost, Palpatine returns, &c.

I'd suspect he's going to lean very heavily on it. And even if he wasn't I'm sure Disney/LFL will.

Sparx MacGyver · « **Reply #17 on:** March 20, 2019, 01:03:28 pm »

Quote from: ZehnWaters on March 20, 2019, 09:08:39 am

I could have accepted a plagiarized Ep. VII with a Mary Rey Sue if they'd done something decent with Ep. VIII but they didn't and Ep. VIII left nothing for IX to do. JJ is now going to have to create and resolve tension for two movies in one. Thanks Rian.

That's not entirely true. I mean, there are some snippets here and there, that could lead to something good. For example, Rey is going to, more or less, be the new Luke, off to create her own Jedi order. I doubt Kylo Ren will be completely defeated - probably more like severely weakened, with much loss of support in all ways. This is a good thing, and it would allow the writers to show him gaining control of himself - not just giving in to childish tantrums for the sake of being an edgelord of darkness, but allow them to show him grow into his heritage. We have seen, via extra media, the kind of lineage he has. Vader/Anakin, the powerful force user, the tactical mind, the incredible piloting skills, the mechanical aptitude, and thus showing him evolve into a frightening leader, and truly ruling over the First Order. Similar things for Poe and Finn.

Then again, that should have probably been something in VIII. But, really, there isn't much space for Abrams to work around. At least, not much I see.

fairytalejedi · « **Reply #18 on:** March 27, 2019, 08:55:55 pm »

So the poster appears to confirm the Knights of Ren. Prediction: Rey's new Jedi Order will be called the Paladins of Stimpy, who will defeat the Knights of Ren in an epic clash.

You heard it here first.

fairytalejedi · « **Reply #19 on:** April 12, 2019, 12:25:55 pm »

So... The Rise of Skywalker

My initial theory: The reason Kylo can't commune with Vader in Ep 7 is because Anakin put all of his spirit into Rey. And now Luke has too. She's the Uber Skywalker. She's like the anti-Cade. Rey is the Jedi perfected.

ZehnWaters · « **Reply #20 on:** April 12, 2019, 01:45:48 pm »

Quote from: fairytalejedi on April 12, 2019, 12:25:55 pm

So... The Rise of Skywalker

My initial theory: The reason Kylo can't commune with Vader in Ep 7 is because Anakin put all of his spirit into Rey. And now Luke has too. She's the Uber Skywalker. She's like the anti-Cade. Rey is the Jedi perfected.

Goodness, I'm so over this version of Canon.

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Personally I think Rey's just going to be Luke's illegitimate daughter that he didn't know about because the woman took off (speaking of Cade, think of his mother...only before she gave birth). She likely dropped Rey off either to keep her from her destiny (a'la Owen Lars) or to keep her safe for a time until she could come back but died instead. Why she'd ever sell her into slavery is beyond me. Unless Luke hooked up with some drunken tramp.

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fairytalejedi · « **Reply #21 on:** April 12, 2019, 02:33:11 pm »

My sources tell me the working title was Episode IX: The Lightsaber That Just Won't Die

Reign_of_the_Jedi_Lords · « **Reply #22 on:** April 12, 2019, 05:43:21 pm »

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ZehnWaters · « **Reply #23 on:** April 17, 2019, 12:10:32 pm »

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Quote from: fairytalejedi on March 20, 2019, 08:26:13 am
... Palpatine returns....

Looks like you pegged it. That laugh... And was that a big piece of the Death Star at the end? So... Palpatine's ghost is somehow trapped in the remains of the Death Star? Maybe?

Looks that way.

ZehnWaters · « **Reply #24 on:** September 20, 2019, 12:14:57 pm »

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Quote from: fairytalejedi on March 20, 2019, 08:26:13 am
... Palpatine returns....

Looks like you pegged it. That laugh... And was that a big piece of the Death Star at the end? So... Palpatine's ghost is somehow trapped in the remains of the Death Star? Maybe?

Looks that way.

Oof, the new rumors about how and what he does. Ick.

fairytalejedi · « **Reply #25 on:** October 23, 2019, 08:39:52 pm »

The question they should've asked when they first started developing Ep 7 is "How will Ep 9 be a better ending for the saga than the one we already have, i.e. Ep 6?"

I can't see anyway this will be a better ending than ROTJ. And if it's not, the whole sequel trilogy is superfluous. It turns Star Wars into just another big budget franchise that keeps making new movies in order to make money, not to continue the story in any meaningful way. And that saddens me.

Star Wars used to be special. It used to be different and unique, and it no longer is.

StevenO · « **Reply #26 on:** October 23, 2019, 11:02:00 pm »

FTJ, you mean how if these sequels were actually about the "Skywalker SAGA" you'd actually EXPECT them to have done a whole lot more with Luke, Leia, and the rest of the original cast? Preferably 10-15 years ago at that. At least with the prequels you could see them feeding into what was the Original trilogy.

It's going to be a VERY high bar if Disney expects this to be a more satisfying conclusion than RotJ was. This is even considering a few of the open ended questions that may have remained.

Ghondar · « **Reply #27 on:** October 24, 2019, 12:49:12 am »

It deosn´t have to be better ending than RotJ. It just has to be good. But for that, some movement in the story would be necessary. And there is absolutely NOTHING new in the whole new trilogy.

Basic conflict is between a pan-galactic power and a ragtag band of rebels (sorry, resistance today)
The jedi order is reduced to a single person being taught by an old master in self-exile (and later probably will be by a force spirit)
And to top it off, there is nothing new in the "hardware department". We still have X-wings, Y-wings, TIE-fighters, star destroyers, AT-STs,AT-ATs, stormtroopers... and all of the stuff looks like the First Order and Resistance found the old supply depots from their respective predecessors and made a few cosmetics changes to what they found.

fairytalejedi · « **Reply #28 on:** October 24, 2019, 07:09:35 am »

It's true that the sequels aren't really about the Skywalker saga but that's how they're billed. They're billed as Episodes 7-9 of a continuing story.

Abrams asked himself, "How can I remake A New Hope?" and Johnson asked himself, "How can I subvert expectations?" They didn't didn't start by asking themselves, "How can I continue the Skywalker saga?" or even "How can I continue the development of the Star Wars galaxy as a whole after ROTJ?" The latter is more a question they should've asked if they were tasked with a new trilogy that was billed as Star Wars: The Next Generation. But they didn't even do that.

Maybe once they get new leadership in place, someone who actually has a vision for what to do next, they can do a series set 100 years or so later and focus on a new generation of characters and on how the setting has progressed, the way Roddenberry did for TNG. They don't have to outright say the sequel trilogy never happened, but they can basically ignore it.

MasterArkaine · « **Reply #29 on:** November 26, 2019, 07:54:42 am »

(Queue Palpi laugh here)

I'm expecting the biggest slap to the face for SW fans since Jar Jar came on screen on Ep. 1

We have Palpi back, a space battle that like like someone just photo-shopped a million random SW spacecraft on the screen, and the very late arrival of the Knights of Ren (to just name a few of the WTF stuff seen so far)

Dont know if anyone saw the same rumors I did on Youtube, but I guess the initial screenings of Ep 9 went so horrible, Disney bass had ol'Georgie boy come in and try to fix it. Guess in the original cut, Rey basically B-slaps Palp and hes dead for good. Kathy was also rumored to be on the chopping back for the original screening. There were 3 versions in all: The orginial JJ/Kathy cut, Disney cut, and then a George cut. The George cut had the best reviews. This is all rumors, but hes a link if you want to watch

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Now I'm hear the ending has been leaked.... we have 22 days until its release, oh will this be fun

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