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New Profiler sheet
« on: June 26, 2016, 10:39:50 am »
I know that there is an online Profiler Saga sheet that was designed previously, but all I can find is the d20 Star Wars version.

So, I have gone ahead and designed my own and I welcome anyone that might like to use them to make an account on page - http://rpg.avioc.org/profiles/

Here is a sample of my sheet filled in: http://rpg.avioc.org/profiles/view.php?id=1187.

If anyone has the original version of the Star Wars Saga profiler sheet and would be willing to share it, I would appreciate that, too!
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Re: New Profiler sheet
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2016, 10:42:36 am »
Also, I welcome any suggestions that you might have to add, but understand my coding skills are not the greatest.

I am currently working on the code to make the attribute modifiers auto-fill for skills and such.

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Re: New Profiler sheet
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2016, 12:10:09 pm »
I'd have size and species all on one line.  After all, how often are you NOT going to have a human be medium sized?  Maybe a child would be considered small but everyone older than that will be medium size.

When it comes to listing things you should probably have Class & Level all on the same line.  It is probably worth noting what is the first level class because it makes a BIG difference when it comes to hitpoints and skills (number trained and selections available) and can make a smaller difference in things like feats; the impact of when classes are taken after 1st level is generally much smaller although BAB prereqs could still get in the way.

I see a place to record the number of FP the character has and then after that the listing for "die type" which is blank on the example.  This is where you'd show the benefit of "Strong in the Force."  Your Second Wind section in the special abilities is redundant when you already have that information listed elsewhere as well.

Your "Defenses" block should include notes about things like Block/Deflect and possibly any other reactionary powers/abilities the character may have.

It may just be me but I'm not a fan of having EVERY skill listed with a skill block.  This is especially true when some skills can only be used if trained or which have other conditions on untrained use.  Not everyone can make Mechanics checks and splitting out all of the Knowledge skills mostly just takes up space.


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Re: New Profiler sheet
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2016, 12:40:16 pm »
Thanks for the input StevenO!

I'd have size and species all on one line.  After all, how often are you NOT going to have a human be medium sized?  Maybe a child would be considered small but everyone older than that will be medium size.

This is an easy fix.

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When it comes to listing things you should probably have Class & Level all on the same line.  It is probably worth noting what is the first level class because it makes a BIG difference when it comes to hitpoints and skills (number trained and selections available) and can make a smaller difference in things like feats; the impact of when classes are taken after 1st level is generally much smaller although BAB prereqs could still get in the way.

I put two class level lines so a player can have a dummy area to show what his classes are and at each level, plus a total Heroic Level line so 1/2 level can be easily displayed.

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I see a place to record the number of FP the character has and then after that the listing for "die type" which is blank on the example.  This is where you'd show the benefit of "Strong in the Force."  Your Second Wind section in the special abilities is redundant when you already have that information listed elsewhere as well.

I have the Second wind cell because some players may not wish to list it in Special Qualities. I had it listed in SQ, because I like to write out the function and page numbers (I am kind of anal that way!  ;D)

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Your "Defenses" block should include notes about things like Block/Deflect and possibly any other reactionary powers/abilities the character may have.

I will see what I can do here.

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It may just be me but I'm not a fan of having EVERY skill listed with a skill block.  This is especially true when some skills can only be used if trained or which have other conditions on untrained use.  Not everyone can make Mechanics checks and splitting out all of the Knowledge skills mostly just takes up space.

I made some changes thus far, but due to my limited coding knowledge I made the list complete to accommodate for not being able to auto-fill (i.e. add a new skill line if a PC needs a skill not listed). I could make the skill list all blank, and player's fill in skills at need, but that might create more confusion for  new player.

I will take your input and see where I can add (or take away).

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Re: New Profiler sheet
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2016, 02:12:29 pm »
Just to be fair I'm not such a big fan of self filling character sheets.  I believe you lose a little when you let a machine do the thinking for you and it starts filling in the blanks.  It can allow errors to fester and can make people blind to how things are supposed to work.  While I certainly appreciate a nice, orderly character sheet I think they are best when the players fill in the numbers so they can know what they mean and where they came from.


I don't think I've ever seen a reason for needing a separate listing for CHARACTER LEVEL when Heroic level and half character level are easily determined just by adding up class levels.  IF I were to mention character level I'd probably do it where I'm recording XP and perhaps noting the threshold to next level.  If SAGA officially had LEVEL ADJUSTMENTS like 3.5 used then things could be a bit more challenging.
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Re: New Profiler sheet
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2016, 02:27:27 pm »
Just to be fair I'm not such a big fan of self filling character sheets.  I believe you lose a little when you let a machine do the thinking for you and it starts filling in the blanks.  It can allow errors to fester and can make people blind to how things are supposed to work.  While I certainly appreciate a nice, orderly character sheet I think they are best when the players fill in the numbers so they can know what they mean and where they came from.

Then you should love this sheet, because there is nothing automated about it!  ;D

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I don't think I've ever seen a reason for needing a separate listing for CHARACTER LEVEL when Heroic level and half character level are easily determined just by adding up class levels.  IF I were to mention character level I'd probably do it where I'm recording XP and perhaps noting the threshold to next level.  If SAGA officially had LEVEL ADJUSTMENTS like 3.5 used then things could be a bit more challenging.

I understand, but the space is already there so it serves its purpose. I could combine the two and that way a player has more room to write out multiple classes and just notate Heroic level at the end (plus half level). I will do that now.

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Re: New Profiler sheet
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2016, 09:58:34 pm »
A long line for writing out multiple classes is a good thing especially in SAGA.  I'd guess that most builds stick to three or fewer base classes but once you hit PrC you could easily see five or more classes on a high level character.  I mean a Soldier5/Scoundrel1/Jedi1/Gunslinger1/EliteTrooper1/Officer1 is pretty reasonable for a 10th level character.
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Re: New Profiler sheet
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2016, 11:28:16 pm »
It's done. I reorganized all of the character information.