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Episode III Infinities
« on: December 24, 2018, 02:09:08 pm »
Story: So the altered scenario this time around is Padmé catches Obi-Wan as he tries to board her ship and kicks him off.  Arriving at the senate building in time to stab Palpatine from behind while he's attacking Yoda, Obi-Wan slays his second Sith Lord.

Setting Questions:
  • What becomes of Anakin and Padmé?  Does Anakin still assume she's betrayed him when he realizes Palpatine's been slain?
  • Who takes control in the power vacuum?  It's already been made an Empire, so someone could still seize authority (though I suppose there is a senate still).
  • What of the surviving Jedi?  Do they have a chance to regroup in the chaos? Do they help create the Rebellion?
  • What of the Rebellion?  Is it able to get off the ground faster?
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Re: Episode III Infinities
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2018, 01:55:06 pm »
With Palpatine dead, I can't see Anakin lasting very long. I imagine Yoda and Obi-Wan would prioritize hunting him down. Heck, with Palpatine out of the picture, the two of them may even be able to turn him back to the light. If Anakin wants to survive as a Sith, I think he'll need to go into hiding. It's possible that Padmé will go with him (I mean, she didn't leave him when he first confessed to mass murder, so why would she leave him now?). This might create a very interesting situation where Luke and Leia are trained as Sith by their father, though as Anakin has had hardly any Sith training before Palpatine died, I wonder how powerful he and his children would actually become in the Dark Side. Maybe they'd end up on the level of Dark Jedi rather than true Sith.

The Empire had been declared, at most, a few days before Palpatine's death. I can't imagine any big changes being made to the Republic in that time. With Palpatine dead, I think the Empire would end up still born, quickly reverting back to the Republic.

The big question is the clones. Who are they loyal to now? Did Palpatine even appoint a successor that they should obey after him? I can see him being egomaniacal enough to not care what happens after his death. It's possible he appointmented Anakin as the next in line, but even with clone protection he's going to die to Yoda and Obi-Wan unless he goes into hiding (Yoda got to Palpatine just fine even with the entire clone army guarding him). If the clones don't have a leader anymore, are they still going to try and hunt down the Jedi and uphold the Empire, following their last orders? It's possible there could be a movement started by Obi-Wan and Yoda to retake the Republic from the army, ending up in a civil war/revolution by the Republic against clone military rule. Maybe Anakin is in charge, but has to give orders from a hidden base, leading to a reverse of roles: the clone army led by the Dark Siders ends up in the position of the Rebellion, trying to over throw the galactic government led by two Jedi. Bail Organa might be a good candidate for the new Chancellor, or maybe the role of Chancellor has too much stigma associated with it now, and the Republic reverts to a more democratic structure with limited central leadership.

My final thought is the Jedi Order. Yoda and Obi-Wan are certainly going to try and rebuild it, perhaps with some changes in philosophy. It'd definitely start small, much more like Luke's Jedi Academy from the EU, with a more intimate structure akin to a family rather than a large monastic order.

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Re: Episode III Infinities
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2018, 05:05:03 pm »
Blasphemy perhaps I'm not remembering where we're talking about and believe it or not I don't actually own these movies to rewatch them.  Is this where Padme follows Anakin to Mustafar and Obi-Wan and Darth Vader have their first throw down?  I guess I'm also fuzzy on what happens when she gets there which may affect how things turn out.  So assuming everything leading up to RotS happens all that's really different is Palpatine is dead (again but later this time) and Anakin returns from his mission with his flesh intact.

I guess the big question really needs to be what happens to Padme.  If the only reason Anakin kills her is because Obi-Wan is there I guess I can see her surviving and bearing Anakin's children.  I presume that Anakin can return with Padme and probably become the "Imperial couple" as I believe Palpatine had basically been grooming Anakin and the public for him to become the "face" of the new order as opposed to the stuffy old Jedi Council.  I don' t know if he'd go hunting his old comrades without being prompted but if he's going to maintain the illusion (which he may fully believe) that the Jedi betrayed the Emperor he may need to.  I suspect Padme may try to temper that idea and try to serve as a peacekeeping influence but if Anakin sees that as a betrayal by her he may kill her later.

When it comes to the Jedi Order things will definitely need to change and even if it survives and isn't extensively hunted it will still need to withdraw and perhaps even go into hiding as Palpatine poisoned public opinion against it.  Perhaps it is a seed that helps start a Rebellion but can the "Masters who led us into the Clone Wars" really restore the Republic?
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Re: Episode III Infinities
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2019, 09:26:13 am »
With Palpatine dead, I can't see Anakin lasting very long. I imagine Yoda and Obi-Wan would prioritize hunting him down. Heck, with Palpatine out of the picture, the two of them may even be able to turn him back to the light.

With Padme still around, I see this as more likely.  Without Palpatine whispering in his ear he may simply just stop being a Jedi rather than continue down a murderous path.


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The Empire had been declared, at most, a few days before Palpatine's death. I can't imagine any big changes being made to the Republic in that time. With Palpatine dead, I think the Empire would end up still born, quickly reverting back to the Republic.

Palpatine had many connections and supporters, do you think one of them might step in?  I was thinking Tarkin might try to strong arm his away into a position of leadership, though with much less support or effectiveness.

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The big question is the clones. Who are they loyal to now?

I guess I just assumed it was to whomever was in charge.

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My final thought is the Jedi Order. Yoda and Obi-Wan are certainly going to try and rebuild it, perhaps with some changes in philosophy. It'd definitely start small, much more like Luke's Jedi Academy from the EU, with a more intimate structure akin to a family rather than a large monastic order.

Hm.  Maybe.  I'd imagine they'd want to track down any surviving Jedi first.
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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2019, 09:43:24 am »
Blasphemy perhaps I'm not remembering where we're talking about and believe it or not I don't actually own these movies to rewatch them.  Is this where Padme follows Anakin to Mustafar and Obi-Wan and Darth Vader have their first throw down?

Yes.

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I guess I'm also fuzzy on what happens when she gets there which may affect how things turn out.  So assuming everything leading up to RotS happens all that's really different is Palpatine is dead (again but later this time) and Anakin returns from his mission with his flesh intact.

Once Padme gets there she meets Anakin and gets sad and weepy when she realizes he has, in fact, become evil.  Obi-Wan then chooses the worst possible time to make his reveal.  Anakin assumes Padme has brought Obi-Wan there to kill him and chokes her to unconsciousness then fights Obi-Wan.

In my version Obi-Wan isn't there to interfere so Anakin doesn't ever render Padme unconscious, though he does choke her when he senses Palpatine's death, but she weakly says she loves him and he lets go.  C-3PO comes out to escort Padme back inside and she warns him that she won't let him be with her or their child if he doesn't change.  Anakin pledges himself to Padme now that Palpatine is dead and the two leave.

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I guess the big question really needs to be what happens to Padme.  If the only reason Anakin kills her is because Obi-Wan is there I guess I can see her surviving and bearing Anakin's children.  I presume that Anakin can return with Padme and probably become the "Imperial couple" as I believe Palpatine had basically been grooming Anakin and the public for him to become the "face" of the new order as opposed to the stuffy old Jedi Council.

I guess I never imagined them returning to the Empire.  I always assumed Anakin would go into hiding from the Jedi (not just for himself but for his children).  Would he have the same support from Palpatine's cronies?  COULD he work his way into a position of power?  If he props up Padme I suppose it's possible but would she want that position?

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I don' t know if he'd go hunting his old comrades without being prompted but if he's going to maintain the illusion (which he may fully believe) that the Jedi betrayed the Emperor he may need to.  I suspect Padme may try to temper that idea and try to serve as a peacekeeping influence but if Anakin sees that as a betrayal by her he may kill her later.

If Padme is the one in charge, I don't see this happening.  She'd be quick to give Anakin something else to occupy his time.

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When it comes to the Jedi Order things will definitely need to change and even if it survives and isn't extensively hunted it will still need to withdraw and perhaps even go into hiding as Palpatine poisoned public opinion against it.  Perhaps it is a seed that helps start a Rebellion but can the "Masters who led us into the Clone Wars" really restore the Republic?

I imagine without Palpatine's keen political mind backing up propaganda that the Jedi would be better able to take back control of the narrative, even if they couldn't be public about it.
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2020, 09:02:01 pm »
So I guess I have a new question.  In my version Padmé and Anakin go into hiding.  What do you think could bring them out of hiding?  Do you think they'd hide on Tatooine or somewhere else?  What would either do for a living?  Farming, like Galen Erso?  I think in my head I had the remaining Jedi tracking down Ahsoka to have her try and find Anakin.  When she does, however, he denies being Anakin and when she realizes he has children Ahsoka acquiesces and leaves.  Would this instigate a change in Anakin and have him return as a Jedi?
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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2021, 06:27:36 pm »
So, to maintain Anakin's destiny of destroying the Sith (to bring Balance to the Force) I decided to have Maul lurking in the background.  Maul continues his criminal empire while his apprentice, Darth Castiga, works his way up through the Imperial Senate, with the eventual goal of replacing Emperor Tarkin.  So, here are my stats for the two Sith:

Darth Maul            CL 18
Medium Zabrak Jedi 7/Sith apprentice 7/scoundrel 1/crime lord 3
Dark Side 15
Init +18; Senses heightened awareness, Improved Sense Surroundings; Perception +11
Languages Basic, Huttese, Mando'a, Sith, Zabrak
Defenses Ref 37 (flat-footed 31), Fort 34, Will 35; Block
hp 179; second wind +44/89; Threshold 34
Speed 6 squares
Melee double-bladed lightsaber +21 (2d8+16) or
Melee double-bladed lightsaber +21 (2d8+19) with both hands or
Melee double-bladed lightsaber +21 (2d8+19) and double-bladed lightsaber +21 (2d8+19)
Ranged by weapon +20
Base Atk +16; Grp +20
Atk Options Dastardly Strike, Dual Weapon Mastery, Melee Defense
Special Actions Juyo, Power of the Dark Side, Riposte
Force Powers Known (Use The Force +13) dark rage, Force grip, Force slam, mind trick, move object, surge
Force Techniques Improved Dark Rage, Improved Force Slam, Improved Sense Surroundings
Abilities Str 17, Dex 19, Con 16, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 13
Special Qualities build lightsaber, command cover +1
Talents Block, Dastardly Strike, Force Deception, Greater Weapon Focus (lightsabers), Greater Weapon Specialization (lightsabers), Inspire Fear I, Inspire Fear II, Inspire Fear III, Juyo, Power of the Dark Side, Riposte, Stolen Form, Weapon Specialization (lightsabers)
Feats Dual Weapon Mastery I, Dual Weapon Mastery II, Dual Weapon Mastery III, Force Sensitivity, Force Training (2), Martial Arts I, Martial Arts II, Melee Defense, Weapon Focus (lightsabers), Weapon Proficiency (lightsabers, pistols, simple weapons)
Skills Deception +10 (may Use the Force +13 instead), Endurance +17, Initiative +18, Mechanics +17, Perception +11 (may reroll but must keep the result of the reroll even if worse), Persuasion +15, Use the Force +13
Possessions 2 cybernetic prostheses, datapad, double-bladed lightsaber (jenraux crystal), electrobinoculars, encrypted long-range comlink with holo capability

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Darth Castiga/Shawstakovitch            CL 12
Medium Elomin noble 4/Jedi 3/Sith apprentice 5
Dark Side 15
Init +12; Senses Perception +13
Languages Basic, Bocce, Elomin, High Galactic, Huttese, Mon Calamarian, Neimoidian, Ryl, Sith
Defenses Ref 27 (flat-footed 24), Fort 25, Will 26; Block, Deflect, Soresu
hp 91; Threshold 25
Immune +5 to Will Defense against mind-affecting effects
Speed 6 squares
Melee lightsaber +16 (2d8+7) or
Melee lightsaber +16 (2d8+8) with both hands
Ranged by weapon +12
Base Atk +11; Grp +12
Special Actions Adept Negotiator, Castigate, impose order, Intimidator, Silver Tongue
Force Powers Known (Use The Force +14) blind, cloak, corruption, fear, mind trick, move object
Force Techniques Dominate Mind, Improved Cloak
Abilities Str 13, Dex 12, Con 12, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 16
Special Qualities build lightsaber, logical mind
Talents Adept Negotiator, Block, Castigate, Deflect, Greater Weapon Focus (lightsabers), Noble Fencing Style, Soresu, Stolen Form
Feats Force Sensitivity, Force Training (2), Intimidator, Linguist, Predictive Defense, Silver Tongue, Skill Focus (Persuasion), Weapon Focus (lightsabers), Weapon Proficiency (lightsabers, pistols, simple weapons)
Skills Deception +14, Gather Information +14, Initiative +12, Knowledge (bureaucracy) +14, Knowledge (galactic lore) +14, Knowledge (social sciences) +14, Perception +13, Persuasion +19 (can intimidate or change attitude as a standard action), Use the Force +14 (may reroll to use Block or Deflect but must keep the result of the reroll even if worse)
Possessions blank datacards, datapad, encrypted long-range comlink, lightsaber
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Re: Episode III Infinities
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2021, 10:59:19 pm »
How does Maul get levels in Crime Lord with NONE of the requirements?
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2021, 04:18:14 pm »
How does Maul get levels in Crime Lord with NONE of the requirements?

lol By my forgetting about them.  Good catch.  Fixed.
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